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Hi Everyone Hello from England So great reading all your stories about the 50s 60s I suppose the biggest gang was the Police lol It’s a shame you can’t post your old photos from those days on here

Many may think that the 1950s was like the movie Warriors going all over New York. The truth was gangs back then stayed in their borough and consisted of friends that grew up together. The other thing was not everybody in a gang was tough and crazy. usually the anti socials that could not pick up girls were the trouble makers always starting wars. As the years past and we were grown, we became friends with many of our adversaries and hung out in each others turf and eventually gang banging played out. Of course new gangs evolved like the nomads and Sacred skulls as well as Bloods and Crypts, the latter all about drugs and murder.

Were the scorpions in the Claremont section of the Bronx?

Any knowledge of a gang mustering known as the Sinclairs' -- affiliated or related to ; SBB (South Brooklyn Boys) ?

Thank you Lefty for responding. The 1950's sounds correct I'll has to take a quick look back in his book to see if I can find the name Blas. It sounds familiar. Thank you so much!

I'm the granddaughter of a Junior Rocket (a gang in the Bronx) and I was wondering if there if anyone in that gang or who had a family member in that gang. My grandfather was Sonny Cuesta and his family was from PR if that helps. His brother Tommy was also in the gang.

hey dave i got a quick --question for ya ---how big were wristbands back in the 50's and 60's in new york city... they were pretty big up here, 2 buckle and 3 buckle ones ---got anything on that at all --just wondering ............ big carl

This in response to Evelyn of Cape Coral. Kenny Keiser was a tall good looking Puerto Rican that was a great baseball player (could have gone to the majors).Not sure where he lived but he hung out with us at Fox St. playground and at Fort Apache Simpson St. He hung out with us Crowns and perhaps considered himself a Crown but he was not the gang banger caliber (easy going). he was well liked and dressed well. last I heard he had past although that may be wrong. He was of the mid 50s mid 60s crowd. Have not heard his name in years.

I enjoyed your site. My memory of Italian gangs in East Harlem in the 1940's thru 1950's were: Red Wings and Italian Dukes, each had a female counterpart that had Debs after the gang name.

Hi Lefty. Thank you for replying. My dad was a natural leader. He had a great mind. He had a natural mind for science. I also believe I get my love of the medical field from him. I know if he were alive and well today, he’d be sharper than a whip. I have seen some of the archived articles. Some show that same confident smile I remember as a child, and some show the innocent fear that was well hidden behind that smile. Though I didn’t grow up as you, my dad, and the Crowns did, I am all too familiar with the intricate dynamics of the streets. You loved hard, fought harder, laughed tirelessly, and cried with no shame. That Is the Underestimated beauty and all too quickly fading fundamental conceptions of what street crews and gangs were supposed to be. Please send your brothers my regards and salutations. I know my dads would have loved to have known that I was able to make this connection. I would love to hear more. Please keep in touch. Happy holidays!!!

Hello everyone. It’s taken me a bit longer than I’d like to muster up the courage to write this reply. I’d like to start off by thanking David for this amazing forum. He, and this forum, and now you, have helped me find much needed closure and understanding as of to whom my Father was. Lefty, your post on my father’s passing was so moving. It’s funny that his nickname was Meejo...he’d call us Meeja whenever he spoke Spanish. That was a rarity. I’d always wonder what he was like before that tragic day. I’d always imagined that his lack of domestic family support was somehow replaced with the love of his friends and peers. I’d imagined that he was naturally strong in build, hard working, well dressed, valiant, honorable, courageous, sincere, and righteous. Your words proved that what I once called daydreams And fairytales were actually factual. My father always had this magnetism to him. No matter where we went, random people spoke to him. From the homeless to the rich, street vendors to business owners, they all seemed to be drawn to this aura. I have to admit, I used to think sometimes it’s was his height, smile, and captivating color-shifting eyes. He was ingenious. He made Christmas trees from cardboard and tinsel. He made fishing rods from branches, clear craft string and sewing needles. He’d teach us what berries were safe to eat when we’d go to the park. He was a wonderful artist. He had this old world way of sketching. I believe he’s the reason why I enjoy hiking and why I am a painter. I believe that he never lost that auric allure and presence, regardless of the trade goes that seemed to dictate the course of his life. I wonder if you were ever with him when he’d go swimming in the Bronx River or the Bronx Sound? I’d would be enraptured when he’d tell me stories of his childhood. There weren’t many that he would share but when he did, it was as if I was traveling back in time with him. The time he spent paying for his actions, coupled with the unfair parental circumstances all had detrimental effects on him. The streets had a grip on him that was deeper than Anything or anyone else. In time, his body could no longer endure his homeostatic decline. During his last few weeks on this earth, he was surrounded by his children, future grand daughter, his favorite music, and the divine love of our Creator. I know now why I am the way that I am. I get a lot of my character traits and tendencies from him. I didn’t know that until I read your post. Thank you Lefty for sharing with me such an intimate and beautiful memories of my Dad. I am so grateful that you gave me, just as David has, yet another priceless piece of him to hold onto. Blessings and love to you both!!! Dione Serra

I want to say thank you for all the effort and dedication you have put into this site. I had to write an essay which went towards my final grade and decided what I'd be able to do in college. Throughout my almost two years of writing it you and everyone else with your interesting stories inspired my essay and now I'm in college studying history. Your site helped me decide my topic back in 2018 and was a real help- especially all the sources and books you've linked to as it's not a subject that any of my teachers were familiar with. Thanks again, and good luck with your future research!

I wanted to ask about the apaches before it was turned into mau mau. I wanted to ask about my father in law Flame who was a member.

dave dave dave today is your lucky day --i fothe film i was telling you about called latinos in america --you might be able to put it on your web site --it shows member of the latin crowns also a few others like the drangons ---all pr gangs from the 50's --you have to look quick but i think you will enjoy this very much ---let me know i'am sure you will watch it more than onece--here it is -- https://www.pbs.org/video/latino-americans-episode-4-new-latinos/ *Thank-you Carl, very much appreciate this!!!*

Been a while since i posted something but I noticed that not many posts by others either. I guess since those of us that gang banged in the 50s are in our 80s or close to it. When we were out there the music was doo-wop, the attire was khaki pants, desert boots, paisley printed shirts, stetson hats and v-neck gang sweaters with our names and emblems. The parties were called sets and slow songs were called the grind. Our gangs were about friends that were down and were tight protecting our turf from problem people. Guns were scarce and we battled with our hands, sticks, bottles, bricks and sometimes knives.We had a lot of girls and a lot of fun but the heroin epidemic seeped in and guys started dropping off like flies.Some cleaned up after jail and some died from heroin and some us, well, we are still around,educated, retired, living well and bringing up descent families with the knowledge we got tasting the bad and coming back. In time there will be no bangers left from that era but from someone that was there, it was a great time.

Hey, just ran across your site regarding the Roman Lords and your topic on the Mau Maus. I am a film producer and released a feature film entilted Victor. Based on the true story of Victor Torres one of the original gang members of the RLs. He is a person friend who turned his life around and helps gang members to this day. You might find some helpful info from our movie since we kept it as close as possible to the events. Also about the Mau Maus, i know you mentioned you completed your study on them, however, if your interested I am also a personal family friend with Nicky Cruz the warlord of the Mua Muas and who also had a feature film on his story entitled The Cross & the Switchblade. You may already know of this but I just thought your site and info is really cool and done well. Hope this info is not a waiste of your time. I just share your interests with the old gangs especially since I grow up in NY.

Hey Dave, You write"Hector was incarcerated in a correctional institution until August 22, 1962 when he was released on parole and sent back home at 379 South 5th Street to live with his parents. His whereabouts today are unknown." I think I know where he is, do a Google Earth Street View of 379 South 5th Street, Brooklyn NY, and you'll see that he is probably still inside, unable to leave.

No mention of the Wizards, viceroys. I was a wizard.

My brother was involved in the red wings fight who wrote this boo

I was a Parkman ..ran the playground in a small park next to the Marcy.i remember when jewboy got killed.anyone know what happened to Petra ‘pinkie’ Core? Neil

The editor of this page recently wrote about a Ronnie from the Collegiate Crowns of the Bronx. Just like to set something straight. The majority of Crowns and most gangs did not perpetrate on innocent folks, especially women or bully guys to join our gangs. Most gang members were from the same block and grew up together defending their turf. Most of the time we spent having parties(sets) and harmonizing on the corner drinking wine with the girls. When heroine came around some became addicts and others went to the service, work, jail, or church. Our club sweaters represented where we lived, where we hung out at, where our power was. Were there vicious mean members, yes and all these guys are dead.

Know anything about a major rumble on the beach in Coney Island between the Bishops and (maybe) the Lords? Maybe 1960 or 61. Right off the boardwalk at Stillwell Ave. There have been a lot made guys looking for recruits?

Good question Big Carl. Unlike the classic movie The Warriors, gang battles generally were with neighboring neighborhoods within their boroughs and walking distance, having to split up on the way. Sometime gang members would go to parties or events in other boroughs and get into fights with the local gangs usually taking a loss and having to flee to the nearest train station or arrival of police. Also, back in the 1950s gangs would fight with baseball bats, chains, garrison belts, cut off cue sticks, knives, and an occasions a zip gun which they would have to carry these obvious weapons on the train.

ok....... dave i just wanted to tell ya i got your book --awesome --the pics are also great ,,,i got for my birthday --i got a quick question ... how often have you heard back in the 50's gangs would travel too fight ---like the brox to brooklyn or brooklyn too queens and the reason for that ???? can you give us some stories on that would love to hear them--stay cool dude ,,,, BIG CARL ,,,,FROM UPSTATE

John Bixaretty, When the Scorpions were around (1954) the other gangs in the Latin gangs in the Bronx were the Lightnings from Stebbins, Valient and Egyptian Crowns, Young Sinners, Royal Knights. The Black gang were the Sportsmen and white gang were the Baldies. I knew Scorpions from Washington ave by Crotona park. All the gangs had a president, Vice president, prime minister, and war counselor. We all wore v-neck sweaters with our emblems on it. Most from that era went to Nam, got hooked on drugs, as many died of AIDS. We that are still around are lucky and in our mid and late 70s. Our favorite gang movie back then was the Young Savages and Blackboard Jungle.

Anyone have information or stories too share about The Scorpios From the Bronx? 54'

who remembers the latin hearts and the spanish kings tots from east harlem

On 2017-12-02 11:59 AM, miguellupianez wrote: Let's make this a little more clear I was a young boy and my sister met Ricky Torres a Roman Lord big people they were boyfriends and they finally married Ricky Torres went to the Vietnam War and I remain in Brownsville he was instrumental in getting me the position of warlord and Peacemaker of the Roman Lord's little people we were based on Stone Avenue I was not a good fighter but I had connections and was good at planning sophisticate attacks into the enemy's territory using the back of their territory with the help of I believe my Italians and polish gangs that would allow me to use their territory to make surprise attack from the back of the Bishops and the Hellraisers territory I was also very good at entering a manhole and coming out miles away and entering subway stations to make surprise attacks on individual units it wasn't all good for me as when I went to school PS2 I believe The Bishop's and the Hellraisers would invade the school to try to get me however the principal would hide me when the police would catch us rumbling they would let us loose in the enemy's territory right in the heart of the enemy territory we had to run as fast as we could.As Warlord I love to riot and Rumble every night I had a rumble at 8 at night and never fail but when they put me in that position whoever had the power to make peace and they chose me to do it I got no credit for it except in police records if they even exist there was also what i called the over the project black Roman Lords which was my army my vice president was a member of these lords and he died from sniffing carbona.What happened and what led me to achieve peace and among all the gangs tn brownsville was that I was caught in the enemy's territory by the hellraisers,they took me to a hallway and put me against the wall with a gun pointed on my back,suddenly one hellraiser said frenchie we like you and you have a lot of heart and we want to make peace.I replied i'll try and I achieved a two week peace deal with all gang members agreed including Shorty I believe of the big people Roman Lords they came to our festivities for 2 weeks and at the end of the two weeks the big Roman Lords ask me let's Ambush them I said No I gave my word I will not Ambush them they went on their own and they got their ass kicked however the over the project black Roman Lords did not temporarily accepted my peace deal until they got revenge for what they did to me when they caught me after they went and destroyed the neighborhood then they agreed with my peace deal and peace was a achieved

Hi David, you may remember myself (Enrique Rivera and also Manny Vidal.) We gave you info on the June 14, 1959 killing of Raoul Banuchi by the Dragon's Phillip Alvarez. I'm so glad that you finally got your book published. All the best.

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Hey Miguel Lupianez what was the little people of the Roman Lords

Hey,been awhile since I've written and hope everything's going well with you,my friend.Noticed the book "Brooklyn Rumble" on the website.Is this the book you were writing ?.Sure would like to get a copy if so.Don't have paypal or anything but can send an MO for a copy given the mailing info.Thanks !.Dale.

My family moved into the Marcy Projects in January, 1949 during a snow storm. We were one of the first tenants at 585 Park Avenue, apt. 1c. I attended PS 168 and then Mark Hopkins Jr. High School 148. We are an Italian family, but our friends were black, and Puerto Rican. We all got along and our parents looked out for each others kids. As we grew, so did the gangs. The Chaplins were the main gang at the Marcy. Even though they were very violent, they always tipped their hat to my mom, and always respectful to our family. When they were about to have a gang war, they would gather outside our building and walk around the circle, chanting and bopping. That was their sign to us that they were about to have a fight with one of the other gangs. I remember the Ellery Bops, the El Quintos. The Mau Maus would come over from the Fort Green Projects and would go up on the roof to fight. My mom would make sure we kids were locked in that night. I knew a boy named Skyes. He was very tough and I was afraid of him. I think he lived at 601 Park Avenue. We were all so young at the time but he never bothered me. My dad worked at Pfizer the drug company on Flushing Avenue. We went to All Saints Catholic Church on Throop and Flushing Avenues. All the kids would go to the movies together and stayed all day. We had matrons that kept the peace. The theatre was call the Alba on Flushing and Broadway. I had to always walk through the projects and I always felt safe at that time. I walked along Nostrand Avenue to Myrtle Avenue, under the El train. I would go to the candy store on the corner. When I was a little girl, I always remember the neighbors upstairs would have a rent party on a Saturday night and the music went on all night long. I recently went back to the Marcy and I felt such bitter sweet memories. I enjoyed my childhood and made many friends while growing up there in the Marcy. I still keep in touch with my best friend Jeanine and we often share our memories. Especially the ones where I covered for her while she went to meet her boyfriend Jimmy Hazel (because of his hazel eyes) Her mom got the truth out of me and my girlfriend got a good whooping.

Can you let me know when your book is out? I have read a lot of books on youth jitterbugging gangs. From the Vandals, the Vampires, Dragons and Egyptian Kings, Run Baby Run, Second Chance which tells a detail account of the Murder of the Sand Street Angel.

hey nice website ,I was wondering if anyone knew a Cathrine Cormack. I think she was 14 or 15 in a gang not sure which one. she had a son with a pimp who is not known but I know her son has the same last name .I am trying to find info.on anything about cathrine . I know by the age of 20 she had overdose on cocaine ,and was found dead in a jail cell. I juist want info on her son where abouts . thanks sherri

Your book should be called Lost Dreams in the death lands

The Lords of Flatbush was a 1974 movie with fictional characters, although Brooklyn had many gangs. Best known were the Chaplins. the Mighty Count Bishops, and many others. Karen mentioned the gang problem in her area being bad today. I have to clarify that the gangs of today are mostly about drug dealing, prostitution, and gun violence. Back in the 50s we were about protecting our hood, having great parties, dressing clean, and romancing the girls. There were not many guns, zip guns at that, and we fought hand to hand combat maybe using sticks, knives and belts. And in jail back then you went to do your time not continue gang activities like today where you can get killed for a tattoo. Back then we also wore majestic sweaters with great designs and superb lettering. I was an Egyptian Crown from the Bronx and the other gangs were the Scorpions, Sportsmen, Lightnings, Rockets, Young Sinners, Royal Knights, Baldies, red Wings, and many more.

Had a question on a 1950s gang you could probably clear up that also includes a slaying.In the early/mid-'50s there was a gang in BKLYN called the Fort Hamilton Boys.Their president was a young guy named Tony Bavimo who was also a promising boxer.Bavimo was found shot to death in a ditch probably thrown from a vehicle in which he was killed.At the time they had been rumbling with another club,perhaps Avenue U but there were implications he may have run afoul of local organized crime because of gang activity drawing heat to the neighborhood.Read about him in a book by an ex-Fort Hamilton member who became a judge called "Up From Never".Joe Sorrentino.Great book BTW but am sure you've read it. *Hello Dale, I haven't heard of that book before and now I want to read it! I haven't heard of this gang killing, but I am not as knowledgeable on some of the early years of youth gangs. I will keep my eye out for any information on this though. And I will look at getting a copy of this book. Thanks for the message.*

i wish we had more pictures to post here from the 50's of gang memebers -also i can't wait for your book to come out ,,,,let us know when

J. Torres spoke about his older family members killing and cutting up other denominations. According to his dates, it was a time when Puerto Ricans were perpetrated on in Harlem and we were forced to create gangs to defend ourselves. They were the Dragons, Viceroys and Puerto Rican Dukes. Gangs were the street way of protecting their neighborhoods against others, especially when all police were white and many racists. I must say that the cop on the beat back then got to know us and our families well and treated us fair. Todays gangs stand for stupidity, drugs, and murder. The 1950s and 50s were a great time for the young in NY.

Haven't written in a while, but after reading a few new entries i chose to write. When it came to toughness all gangs had heart and were tough, after all they were originally formed for protection from whatever nationality ruled the hood. Back in the fifties with Chaplins, and Mau Maus in Brooklyn, Viceroys, Dragons and Red Wings in Harlem, and Young Sinners, Scorpions, baldies, Egyptian Crowns in the Bronx life was rough. We had heart because 90% of the time we battled with fists, belts, sticks, knives and an occassional zip gun. With all the battles we had none took more lives than the Viet Nam War and Heroin. Those of us bangers that are still around, we either were lucky, woke up, beat AIDS, or found God. Hopefully you old heads are steering the young men of today in the right direction.

Macho Man originates from Puerto Rican. Making something out of nothing.

I just can't believe that the sopranos got so much attention when the Puerto Rican's took over East Harlem my uncle Ralph killed one of these made a holes did 7 years in sing sing but yet we get nothing. As a Puerto Rican I know we are for real We need to school the young ones big time

I ran across your excellent website and it brought back many memories. I was born at Flower Fifth Ave. Hospital on 106th Street in 1946. I grew up in Harlem on 104th across the street from the old Union Settlement, where they had sprinklers overhead for the kids to stay cool in the summer. They kept knocking the buildings down to build projects, so we moved to 107th St between 2nd & 3rd, then 120th St. and finally 105th St. between 2nd & 3rd, across from the Manhattan School of Music. I went to St. Ann's on East 110th between 1st & 2nd, which was in Red Wing territory. My father was connected and had a candy store on 105th, where you would bet on the numbers (policy) during the day and in the back of the store was the Harlem Star Social Club, where members played cards at night. It wasn't uncommon on a cold winter night for the police from the 23rd Precinct with their long blue coats to stop in for a sandwich and a shot of scotch, while the game was going on. 105th was solid Dragon territory and they always had it on with the Viceroys from the West Side. Each gang bopped on each others turf. It got particularly crazy when Frankie "Paquito", who was originally a Viceroy, moved into Dragon territory. He had to prove himself, so he had a friend on the Viceroys named Scotty, who he had to either kill or seriously hurt. He stabbed him in the chest and lucky for Frankie he didn't die, otherwise he would have been in for murder. Ever since then, however, he was marked. On one occasion, Frankie was down in the stairwell shooting craps when a couple of guys came to the stairs and called out his name. He answered and they shouted "Burn MF" and pulled out a real, not zip gun, and started pulling the trigger. The cheap, imported .22 pea-shooter jammed and they took off running down toward 3rd Ave. They were caught and beaten until the cops came. One incident of many. I remember the Valentine brothers, Pete and Benjamin, Deeplo (John), who was stabbed 6 times, but didn't die while he was on a recon mission into Viceroy Turf. Other names were Chino, The Rifleman, Hitler (who taught me how to make a gasoline bomb) Papo and one girl, Blanca. Most were either already hooked on heroin or were on there way. They also had a "social club" called the "Social Highboys, LAMF". Their jackets had a guy with a Top Hat and Cane. Funny thing is you really never saw anyone wearing their colors, because in many cases the cops would confiscate them on site. I was young and for the most part protected because of my father. They knew him as Louie with the white hair. Anyway, reading the other comments brought back many fond memories of my youth. Incidentally, there were other gangs also in the area, mostly Italian. There were the Red Devils from 107th Street. My sister was a Devil Deb. In the late 40's early 50's before he went into the Army, my brother-in-law was a Ranger. They were from 104th St, between 1st & 2nd.

I remember as if it was yesterday the Michael Farmer Murder. It was an early summer morning and I had just come out of my apartment building on W 174st. to walk my dog. I would take her across the street to Highbridge Park where I also played baseball everyday. The sun was coming up and the morning sun in my eyes made me squint. I started to walk the half block to cross Amsterdam Ave as had done so many times before. I was six years old at the time. I saw the detectives and cops in the Park looking for clues . Of course, the cops had the entrance into the park sealed off and would not allow anyone, other than cops, into the park. When I asked someone what happened, I was told a "teenager" got stabbed the night before and was dead. The neighborhood and the City, needless to say, was shocked. It got even worse when the story began to circulate that Michael Farmer had polio and was not able to run away. Before this murder the teenagers fought with Garrison Belts or hands. After that murder, the teenagers on my street formed a gang called "The Condors!"

Anyone remember the Horsemen, in the early 60s? Hombre, pres. Smokey V.P. it all started as just something to do, before you know it, they were rivals with the Lords from the south. The horsemen's always met st Wm. Gaynor junior high school. China, Connie, baby face, where ate you now...

Has anyone ever heard of the Fanwoods? Late 40's, early 50's? My father and godfather grew up in Washington heights.

ONE GANG NOT MENTIONED AROUND THE MARCY IN THE 50'S 60'S WERE THE ELLERY BOP'S FROM ELLERY ST AND MARCY ST ,A SMALL GANG,THEY WERE DIRECTLY ACROSS STREET FROM THE MARCY PROJECTS

I was born in july 1947. Raised on Jefferson and Nostrand ave Brooklyn. I lived on the borderline of Bishops and Chaplains. I went to JHS PS.9. I was a Suicde Ringo Bishop. Warlord of Saint Johns Division. The Pres of the Big People was Goat. The Pres of the Little People was Big Ceasar. 1963/64. We had a Dum and Bugle Corp called The Bedford Stuyvesant Golden Aces we were located on Rogers Ave and Sterling Place. My Gang Name was Tony Tombstone Warlord St. John's Suicide Ringo Bishops. Our Enemies were Albany Chaplains, Itchy Brothers, The Hilltoppers and Crucifiers. Our Brother Clubs were Kingsboro Crosair Lords, Sumner Buccaneers. Tilden Ave Righteous Brothers. We Turfed on Franklin Ave. From Atlantic Ave to Eastern Parkway after we took the Hill fron the Irish and Italian Hilltoppers/ Crucifiers. Some other names associated with Suicide Ringo Bishops were Mountain Man, Chunky, Gypsy, Be bop, Quincy, Dallas, Killer, Big Shorty, Half Pint. Ringo,Waco, Delli, Deacon, Leadpipe, Dice and many more to various to mention but Suicides nonetheless. I retired from Jitterbugging around 1967. However my Rep was well established by that time. Between 1963 to 1967 we were highly active. Many were Drafted to Vietnam. Some Married and made families. Some of us still see each other on occasion. I thank Allah in the Person of Master Fard Muhammad for Messenger Elijah Muhammad which heiped me take my Militancy in a Positive Direction. I am your Brother The Mighty Sheik Shskeem Ala' D. Muhammad. Peace Out.

One of life's pleasures is anticipation! I have been fascinated by the Mau Maus since I first read about them in 1975 as school kid in Durban (my family were new immigrants from England). I didn't know at the time but I believe that Nicky Cruz was in South Africa giving talks, and perhaps this is why his book was doing the rounds among my classmates. My great curiosity about the Mau Maus street gang is in part due to their name. In the UK there is a military unit called the Special Air Service (SAS). Their exploits, and those of similar units around the world are legendary. However I once read that perhaps one of the greatest things they ever did, was to call themselves "Special". In the same way, whoever it was in 1954 who decided to change the name of this gang to the "Mau Maus", could not have realized that it would help to propel them into world wide notoriety and urban legend , even forty one years later. Can't wait to read the book!

I enjoyed the article about East Harlem although there were one or two small inaccuracies. It brought back memories.... I lived in Jefferson Projects (115th St bet 1st & 2nd Aves) from around 1958 to 1970. I went to both parochial (OLQA) and public school (Thomas Jefferson) in the area. I remember the Red Wings, the Young Lords, the Black Panthers. They all had a presence during the time I lived in the "projects". People died and life went on (relatives and friends). I managed to have friends or associate with people who were representative of all 3 ethnic groups and I survived my childhood (though not without incident). "Thanks for the memories."

A couple of gangs in the 50's & 60's were in my hood growing up. One was the Ephesians and the other was a biker gang called the Mercury Riders. Both were from Long Island City/ Astoria. Any information on them that you can shear? ***I'm not familiar with Long Island City or Astoria gangs, sorry I couldn't be of help. Other readers might be able to help though.***

Hi Eli Some years ago I read in one or two books (possible about Isreal Narvez or Agron Salvador) that the Suicides were a hardcore elite within the Mau Maus. But then I have also seen a photograph from a early 60's newspaper about gangs members at a church meeting which listed the Mau Maus and the Suicides separately along with some other gangs. Perhaps David's book and research will shed more light.

A movie called "The gangs of new York" made in 2002 by Martin sorcasie was about the five points area in new york on which the game is based on. U can look up the info on any movie site.

Hi Eli Good question. I always understood that the Suicides were a "gang within a gang", that they were the hardcore elite of the Mau Maus. Would be interesting to know more.

Love this site! Have learned so much through it and thankful for all the work that has gone into its creation and continuous upkeep. I have a question regarding the MauMau murder covered here...what ever happened to Carl Cintron, the gunman in the murder. He seemed pretty confident in the pre-trial and trial photos I have seen, but his life after this is a mystery. Does anyone know what happened to him?

Great site this is. Attended manual Training HS in South Brooklyn in mid 50's a melting pot of white gangs. Jokers, South Brooklyn boys, Kane st midgets, Red Hook and "the point", Sand st boys, Washington Ave boys, Gowanus Dukes. We all respected each other and only warred against outside enemies.

This is the best site I have found on the subject. After reading Vampires, Dragons, & Egyptian Kings and Harlan Elisons Rumble. I wanted any more information I could possibly find. Your site is a trove of good info. Interesting is that Elison, although popular with his writing for Star Trek actually joined The Barons. A gang in Red Hook to get research for Rumble. Rumble is still available but now has the title Web Of The City.

I'd like to reach out to Lefty bermudez. Please email thus websites direct owner. I'd like to talk more to you about my dad. Please.

My brother Shangar was the War Lord for the Suicide Ringo Bishops, My cousin was in the Chaplins and I was the prez of the Baby Bishops DTK LAMF. There was also a gang called PigTown and the Sovereign Lords. There were also 2 Marching Bands called The Carter Cardets and The Utopians

Good afternoon everyone.My uncle was a member of the scorpions .my father wasn't a member but hung out with them.His cousin I think was the president .

@Lefty, thanks for taking the tine to answer Lefty. I have always had a interest in your era, NY and the gang culture. I am 54 and grew up in a violent South Africa. Though the town I grew up in was fantastic, it was upper middle class, mix of white and blue collor workers, it was extremely violent. Fights involving 50 or more bat and chain weilding combatants were very common. I lost 3 friends through these battles and carry a few scares myself. Not saying I a proud of it at all, just mentioning it as to say I understand the fighting culture. I believe our was borne due to the fact that we were constripted to the army straight out of school to fight in the Angolan war for 2 years. We then had to report to army every year for another 10 years, alternating 1 month and 3 mobths each year. So there were always guys around that had just returned from the bush, and a lot of built up rage and nerves. We do not dopost traumatic stress in SA or recognise it at all. Any waym this leads to a few questions please Lefty. What was the leading reason for the fighting and gangs back in the day in NY ? I realize it was turf, but what drove that ? Was it poverty or boredom ? Also, my heto in my youth, through the books and movies, was Nicky Cruz and Israel, I tried to conect to the Christian thing but couldn't, I was more facinated by the gang culture. My question is Lefty, at the time, did you know about Nicky, Israel, the Mau Mau ? Or was this more fame after the fact ? Due to David Wilkinson's book etc etc

Mr. Bishop is correct when he said first Aids case was 1980. We were gang banging in the 50s. Some began using Heroin back then. Many like myself, continued to use well into the 70s. Some died back then from overdoses and others eventually contracted the disease and died from the 80s on. Keep in mind that Aids also has an incubation period. Many of us gang bangers that were users of heroin, and did no die of Aids well into the 70s and up, have ended up with hepatitis C . By the way, back then a bag of heroin was $2 , $3, $5 and $10 a bag. I visit a lot of my boys at St. Raymonds Cemetery in the Bronx Where the great singer Frankie Lymon is buried, and yes, of an overdose.

I thought you might be interested to see where Milton was buried regarding the crime scene photos section. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Graniela&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=36&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=2689488&df=all& Seems as though Milton was a little long in the tooth to be shooting at gang members and cops. *Nice find, thanks for sharing. He was quite a bit older than the usual gang jitterbugger, but the birth date on the link is incorrect. He was 22 years old I believe, not 42.*

Both Born in NY, we met in Florida At Teen Challenge of Florida Inc. Winter Haven Florida. 1987 Testimonies of Rick & Donna Fernandez with a brief history of the South Florida Women’s Home The south Bronx was a hotbed for gang activity and other illicit behavior. It was there that a young man named Ricky began his very rocky life. At a young age he became involved in gangs and eventually landed in prison. After serving 4 years he was released and moved to Florida. Once again his life spun out of control, but this time it was to drug addiction. Following his last bout with the law, he was shot while involved in dealing and using drugs. He then stood at a cross road and prayed “God, I don’t want to live this way anymore”. This cry for help landed him in jail, but this was a good thing. Once he was released he met some Christian ladies who tried to help him. After being arrested one last time, a local Pastor in the Tampa area and one of those Christian ladies, who also happened to be a Teen Challenge Graduate, went to court with him and encouraged him to go to Teen Challenge in Jacksonville. The Judge agreed to release him into the program, with the understanding that he was never to return to Tampa unless he completed the program. About 2 & 1/2 months later Ricky sensed his call to help others. He graduated the program in 1987 and went to work in Teen Challenge in Winter Haven, Florida. About the same time, a young lady, whose life had been ravaged by drug addiction and defeat laid in Broward General Medical Center clinging to life. Her doctor said “Donna, if you don’t make this your last admittance the next one will be”. In a desperate cry for help, she called Teen Challenge from her hospital bed and two days later she entered this faith based recovery program as her last hope. Little did she know that God had a wonderful plan for her life. At the end of the program she sensed a strong desire to help others receive the same hope she had received. In following God’s call on her life, she eventually met Ricky and they were married. In 1988 they moved to South Florida, back to Donna’s hometown. In downtown Fort Lauderdale, in a small rented duplex building, Teen Challenge operated a crisis and referral center. These newlyweds became the live-in house parents and could take in up to four women at a time, keeping them for a couple of weeks, and then referring them into long term Teen Challenge programs. With a strong desire to do more, this couple began pursuing their vision, and by 1995 they had raised enough funding to purchase a six bedroom home on two acres of property in west Davie. Today, this home has beds for sixteen ladies who desire to completely change the course of their life. This is where the miracle begins. Serving Together to “Keep Hope Alive” Pastors Rick & Donna Fernandez Executive Directors “1987 Graduates” Working to make a difference In the lives of others

Have you got any more information on what the gang jackets looked like. I have seen the pics, of the ones you have, so just wondering if you have found any more. *I do have another picture of jackets the Sportsmen from the Lower East Side in Manhattan wore.

Hi to David and everyone I used to chat with. It's been over a year since my last post. I'm still kicking and just wanted to check in. Long live doowop and the fifties.

Lefty, Piri's book (great read) is Down These Mean Streets, and he wrote a sequel. I enjoy your observations.

I like Lefty's posting. David, still looking for the Viceroys photo. I have a feeling that the 4th V was Joe For Real. *Hi Tony, great to hear from you! I sent the mugshot to you a couple of times and emailed you but my emails to you keep getting bounced back, something about your email box being full. Do you have a different email address? Can you email me your phone number, I would love to talk!*

Happy New Year David. Looking forward to your book coming out. Am wondering if the movie "A Thousand Pieces" is ever going to be made. If you were ever thinking about a second book, would love to know more about the Bishops and the Chaplains. Cheers Karl *Hi Karl, I have been wondering if "A Thousand Pieces" will ever be released myself. With some of Nicky's story not being true, I wonder if he is having second thoughts about that. As for the Bishops and Chaplains, it's interesting you mention that as I have considered that myself. I just put up a page about the Bishops and Chaplains that you might find interesting. Happy New Year to you and your family!*

Greetings. Are you still working on this book? Some of the Mau Maus relocated to Columbus, Ohio. Captain Joe Martinez, Salvation Army, Columbus, OH was said to be one of Nicky Cruz's right-hand men and others are here, or were here before the year 2000. Joe may have died. He was old.

How many divisions did the hell burners and phantom lords had back then and there locations?

The street names of the Viceroys with Superman in killing Lil Bobby were Dracula and Lil Ruben. I would like to see the photos. Thanks. *Hi Tony, I got your message and sent you an email today (Nov.16). I also sent an email to you in Feb.2014, but didn't hear back. Please let me know if you received my email from today. I think there was another Viceroy with the nickname "Real Deal?"*

MEMBER of the PHANTOM LORDS & YOUNG LORDS our bitter enemies rivals HELL BURNERS(Marcy & South 9th St.). Went to John D. Wells P.S. 50( HELL BURNERS turf) S 3rd St. Peter John Criscuola ORIGINAL drummer of KISS was a LORDS. Alan King (born Irwin Alan Kniberg; was an American actor and comedian who attended P.S. 50.

Does anyone know what became of the lower east side gang THE UNTOUCHABLES?

7bgvU I lived on the lower east side and stayed with most of the major gangs of our area. I see Billy Sheehan from Mayrose responding to some misinformation. It was a tough place, tough guys and great stories.

dear dad I love you, can I read run baby run? I had a great day at school today. In arts I drew a VERY good drawing on a barn and pond. It took so long to draw. Again I love you dad.

Greetings to all you do wop loving gang bangers from back in the 50s. As SIng Sing was saying, the chicks in our gangs were pretty down and looked out for the guys. I am pleased to say that many of these girls turned out alright in life although we lost a few to the drug epidemic. It\\\'s a shame that this website moves so slow due to the lack of 1950s gang bangers left in the World. We had great times back then, the music, the rumbles, the parties, the cool clothes, but above all the ability to fight with our hands one on one which we called shootin\\\' a fair. Today it is a different animal, young bodies scattered in the streets at the hands of cowards with guns, and drugs being the motive. hard to figure out.

I am also writing a book and putting together a website about gangs from the 1950s to 1980s looking for former gang members from that era in my website I am putting a map from each borough where you can see each location of any street gangs and its divisions feel free to email me or add me on Facebook I also draw gang emblems

Looking forward to getting your book. In 1959 I went to Sacred Hearts, across from the Navy Yard. I was in the Latin Debbs. All the girls in school were very afraid because a rumor went around that the Mau Mau's did not want the girl on their turf wearing ponytails. If seen with ponytail, they would carry a blade and not only cut off the pony tail but marked them with a slip on their derrieres. Mau Maus did not like the Italian coming into their turfs and dating their girls. I was in the car when Nicky, from the Latin Kings had a lite cigaret put out in his face by Carlos. They sped down through to the Brooklyn Bridge on a high speed chase that didn't go well. Next night they all were supposed to all meet in Fort Greene park and battled it out. Mau Mau were there with their Garrison belts, chains and car antennas ready to duke it out. Latin crown anonymously called the police and told them there was a gang with guns and knives mugging people. The police surrounded them and took them all off in handcuffs. Now living in Texas I decided to visit N.Y. In 1984 I wanted to show my new husband where our hang out was in Ft Greene park. As we walked through the park it started getting dark and we heard foot steps. The faster we walked the faster the foot step was getting close to us. I knew we were going to get mugged so I stood my ground and turned to face them...It was my old gang buddies. Johnny, Jose' , Parrot and many others. All a lot older but still doing their thing. As soon as they saw me we all hugged and talked about what was going on all this time. They escorted us out so we'd be safe as my husband (a country boy) stayed sacking in his cowboy boots.

I cannot wait to read the book on the Mau-Mau's and Sand Street Angels. I was born in New York, but raised in Florida. Does anyone know what happended to Melvin Torres and Carl Cintron?

I grew up in Flatbush, Brooklyn in the 70\\\'s and remember the gangs, The Roman Lords, The Savage Skulls, The Jolly Stompers...to name a few...different times even back then...

Robert Johnson my father lived in Van Dyke during the time you were there. He too was a Roman Lord. He went by the name "Conley". He had 2 younger sisters. They lived in 414 Sutter. You remember him?

I am currently looking for pictures of the Roman Lords gang of Brooklyn from the late 1950's to the 60's . My father was a part of the gang and I would like to add some photos to his biography

Hi, Greatly interested in your book. Keep me up to date please. I used to live in Upper Eastside Manhattan. Have been in Ft. Greene projects. I am really interested in Jewish Gangsters in NYC.

Happy New Year,David,and my fellow readers.I really enjoy this site and the new stories,but also the guest book where the real originals write and talk or share their own stories.What a great book that would make!.I noticed a member of the Crowns had written in and their prez' was Ramon Serra,I believe.Is there anyone out there who was in the Dragons or Sinners who knew Michael Ramos,AKA "Pee Wee",and maybe has some memories to share?.I was asking from my own curiosity,but also on behalf of a loved one of Michael's who would like to know more about him.Thank you!.

Hey Sing Sing, Happy New Year to you too. The gangs you mentioned I am not familiar with. The gangs I remember were the Crowns from Simpson, the Young Sinners from Kelly, The Scorpions from Washington Ave., , The Lightnings from Stebbins, the Rockets, the Royal Knights from Trinity Ave, the Dragons from 103rd St., the Viceroys from El Barrio , the Sportsmen from Jennings St. As a New Yorker we stayed pretty much in our turf because we had so much life and things to do there. Today the gangs are about drugs and killing, and worst of all they turn on each other. Most killings are by guys that were friends when they were young. The friends that I had back in the 50s are still my boys today. I\\\'m sure that a lot of old gangbangers like me still have their boys from way back then. Those of you that read this web site should e mail this web site to all their friends so we can chat all the time and exchange war stories or life back then. Hope to see more comments soon.

I just want to wish every body a happy holiday good health to you.

what about the rampers Sammy the bull was in that gang *Hi Damon, thanks for mentioning the Rampers. I hadn't heard of them until you mentioned it. I looked around and the Rampers were a youth gang that Sammy the Bull hung out with in Bensonhurst when he was a teenager. They were separated into Seniors, Juniors and Midgets and were the dominant gang.*

Calling all Phantom Lords from the South Side, Williamsburg Brooklyn from the 1950\\\'s - 1960\\\'s or Royal Counts, Hell Burners or anyone that lived in the South Side durin that time.

lefty Bermudez. how are you. this is sing sing. I was 12 years old when I started my gang the young social lords. so called because there was the older crowd an they cauld them selfs social lords. there were guys like Papo chuito fete Domingo chino my brother Papo an so many to name a few. an these guys had connections with the Egyptian kings the dragons an gangs from the Bronx an more. we were from Washington heights. when farmer was kill they got rounded up for questioning. anyway we as kids admired them an we wanted to be like them. so I ask them if we coud call our selfs young social lords they said yes but we have to be initiated an so the y s l began. the story goes on but more on that later. your friend sing sing

I came across this website after reading \\\"The Cross and the Switchblade\\\". This site is AWESOME. My question is \\\"Whatever happened to Louis Alvarez, Richard Hills, Leroy Birch, Leon De Leon after they were released from Prison?\\\" I cannot find out any info on the web. I thought maybe you\\\'d know. Thank you.

Resident of east harlem from February 1943 until Dec. 1959. knew Danny Garcia who was from Sylvan Place

Hello,David!.Just got through reading your article about the connection between youth gangs and the Mafia.Great read!.There is a book called \\\"Revolt In The Mafia\\\" that was written by a police detective named Raymond Martin that has some great info. on that.The book is about the Gallo-Profaci war in the early \\\'60s,but in part there is a story of how youth gang members were being used to burglarize buisnesses and the mob would in turn sell the swag.One of the burglars,a 17 year-old named Vincent Graffeo,was shot to death 6/2/60 for threatening to inform after being caught by police with accomplices.Another of the arrestees was named Eddie Lino.Now there was a mob member by the same name that was shot to death in the \\\'80s or \\\'90s and I\\\'ve often wondered if that Eddie Lino was the same one arrested in 1960 in the burglary ring.Yes,the Italian youth gangs were virtual farm teams for mob membership,some more so than others.The South Brooklyn Boys were notable for this as was Fulton-Rockaway,John Gotti\\\'s gang in the mid-\\\'50s.Anyway,just thought I\\\'d write and tell you the story.

I lived in the south Bronx, during the late 50\\\'s. I remember there was a gang called the Crowns, which supposedly their leader was called Eddie \\\"El Loco\\\". The Crowns were supposedly an organization which included the Egyptian Crowns, Royal Crowns, etc. I was like 9 or 10 years old at the time. According to what I heard, Eddie was arrested by the Ft Apache police. The station was supposedly attacked by the gangs due to his arrest. Eddie fell into drugs and died of an overdose. I searched on the web, but could not confirm the information.

Hey, Lefty, Jack here again. By the names of the streets you mention, it sounds like you were from the Fort Apache section of the Bronx. I was never there as a teen, but was there often later in life when I was an insurance adjuster. I was constantly at the 41st (I think that\\\'s the number) Pct. on Simpson Street checking police reports and also inspecting firebombed Mr. Softee ice cream trucks on their lot on Intervale Ave. But I\\\'m getting away from the subject of the fifties. I was born in Manhattan but spent most of my teens in Queens. I went to high school in Manhattan - Haaren on Tenth Ave. Queens had its problems but was no way like the other boroughs. The everyday casual dress was usually motorcycle jackets or gang jackets with dungarees and loafers or engineer boots. When going to dances, the clothes ranged from one button low Hollywood coat suits to electric blue suits. Pegged pants were a must, some so tight that guys had zippers sewn in so they could get them on and off. Some pegs had saddle stiching along the side of the leg. A leftover from the fourties was a two inch rise of material above the belt loops and key chains. Like we said before, the music was group harmony and R&B, which later became Rock & Roll, thanks to Alan Freed changing the name of his show from the Moondogger to the Rock and Roll Party. When his show went off the air for the night, we\\\'d go down to the end of the radio dial to listen to \\\"I am the Bruce,\\\" Jocko, Doctor Jive and a bunch of small station DJs that played our kind of music. Most groups had their own candy store to hang out at and in the summer, the school yard. The beach most visited was Rockaway, and later when we were old enough to have cars, the route to Rockaway, Cross Bay Blvd., was one of the illeagal drag strips, with pit stops at the Big Bow Wow and Pizza City. Closer to our neighborhood was Connecting Highway, another heavily frequented drag strip. That\\\'s about all I can think of right now. Glad we can bring back these memories. Let\\\'s hear some more.

Hi David Just a quick message of support from England. I'm looking forward to your book. Regards Karl

One of those mug shots you were trying to identify was dated June 15, 1957, and the other was July 26, 1957. Is there any indication either boy was related to the Farmer killing? Judge Davidson's book has pictures of more juveniles connected to the case. I don't see any resemblance to these 2. **Hello Cleftonefan, there were 11 juveniles in the case and while there were pictures of some of the juveniles in Davidson's book, he did not have pictures of all of them.  These mug shots were found in the District Attorney's case file for this case, unfortunately they did not identify who the boys were.**

Well said, Lefty. It was a great time and I wouldn't wanted to have grown up in any other era. I still have my doowop sounds, mostly on 78RPM, and a lot of great memories. Peace to you, too. And another tip of the hat to David for putting this site together.

David. This is Juan (sing sing ) cuba umbrella man cosin. I want to tell you something that happen back in the days 1959-1962. Can't remember exactly. I went for a bike ride down river side drive under the GW bridge. As I was riding by some white kids call me spic go home. I ride down to where my boys wer the social lords. The collagen devils wer also there with us. We went up split some heads an send some to the hospital the next day we wer in the papers dayle news an El Diario I had a home made sip gun I shot one of them but the gun did not go off I thank God to this day for that. I'm wondering if you can research that for me the news Cald it gang fight gang for revenge Thanks.

Hi David. In 1978, my first year in high school, Run Baby Run by Nicky Cruz was read to the class, which for me, launched a facination with NY gang culture. Likewise, I've found your research increadibly interesting. All the best with it. Shane (Australia)

I'm sing sing from 160st Amsterdam av this is a great website to check the good old days. If anybody remember me get in touch

Ah those wonderful 50s, we wore those majestic sweaters with colors oh so bright For our neighborhoods and our brothers and sisters we would be ready to fight there were the Bishops ,the chaplins, the Dragons, the Viceroys, the redwings, the baldies, the Crowns, the Lightnings, the Young Sinners, the rockets, the Scorpions, the royal Knights. the Sportsmen and many more. I tip my hat to all you bangers from that era that are still around. I am 69 years old and the bangers of today dont go toe to toe like us, they reach for the piece and buy themselves a life sentence leaving many mothers with empty hearts. Ain't the same

IN THE 50'S APACHIES OWNED THE CRAZY CORNER CHAPLINS CHASED THEM FROM LAFAYETTE AVE. & CUMBERLAND ST. NO WAY THEY COULD STOP THEM.SAND STREET ANGELS STAYED ON ST. EDWARDS ST IN THE PARK SMALL GANG SITTING BULL STOLD MY MOTOR CYCLE COAT THAT I JUST STOLED FROM MAYS, MY FRIENDS FROM THEM WERE BALDO & CHINO. BOBBY

Ran in the late 50's lower east side. Rivington street to East 6th street then to Seward park. Any info on the Rivington Street Dragons would be appricated. Russ Hoffmann

very interesting website

Please send me any pertinent information regarding gangs of East Harlem. I was born and raised in East Harlem during the fifties an I am currently writing my memoire that centers on this period.

I also read the story of Nicky Cruz. I always wondered what happened to Israel. Im going to try to get his book. I like this website it provides good info. I hope u add more info about the Mau Maus and hopefully give us an epilogue of whatever members are left from the Mau Maus mentioned in Run Baby Run. Thanks for this website.

Phenominal writing project regarding the Mau Maus and Sand Street Angels. I cannot wait for this publication release. Certainly one of the most facsinating topics that has interested me for over four decades. I am looking forward to learning more about these two gangs and the sections of Brooklyn that cultivated their rise to power.

Just spent an afternoon reading the content of this site - its fabulous, a real inspiration to anyone interested in gang life during the fifties. Many thanks Vic

Hi Dave, I'd like to commend you on one absolutely fascinating site. It's no doubt an encyclopedia of historical facts of gangs in the 50's & 60's. I will continue to visit this site frequently as well as spread the word. By the way, I also appreciate your replies to my emails. Thanks. Wishing you the greatest success in all of your endeavors.

I'm founder of the NYC Gang History group at Yahoo. I met Dave there, and it's been a supreme pleasure to deal with another thorough and dedicated researcher. He's done a fantastic job here!!

I was born in Spanish Harlem and raised in the the Williamsburg Section of Brooklyn (The South Side). At an early age became a member of the Phantom Lords. At that time we were 350 strong and no gang ever ran thru our strong hold “South Third Street”. We fought the “Hell Burners”, “Jesters”, “Mau Mau’s and Chaplains”. After Nicky Cruz got reached by Rev. Dave Wilkerson, Nicky came one night to an Evangelistic street meeting on South 3rd Street. Nicky testified how he was an Ex-Mau Mau and that made me mad! I was going to stab Nicky to Death that night: but my boys held me back. We had entered into the 1960′s and I was strong-out on Heroin. Now I was just a strong out greesy Junkie! Nevertheless, I still felt that I would be a Phantom Lord until death! I arrested seven times and was sentenced to “Riker’s Island” with a “Pen-In-Def”. One fine day my cell partner handed me a copy of a new book that had just come out” “The Cross and the Switchblade” by David Wilkerson. Their I saw so many people that I new, many had left the Hood and now I saw that they had found the way out: The Lord Jesus Christ, when I finished reading the book I surrendered my life to the Lord. I have been an Ordained Minister for more than 45 years and have even held large Evengelistic Meetings and in one occasion had Nicky Come and preach along-side one of his former enemies.  But thanks be to God that now se belong to the same gang:  "GOD'S Gang"!

I was wondering if you could help me. I grew up hearing that my dad was in a gang in the 1950's in Brooklyn New York and went to jail in 1958. He was in the Jesters and his gang name was Motora. I do not know why he was incarcerated but would love to know the truth.Can you help me?? I also have his sweater which bears the gang name.

Hello, David. It's been awhile. I was browsing on the net and found this, your new site. I guess you closed down the old one. The novel, "The Vandals" I wrote, and which you read a few years back is now on Kindle. As you know, it takes place in the fifties, progressing from 1954 to 1960, and is about a Queens gang. Good luck with your new project. Jack Vikara * Hi Jack, my old site was on Geocities web hosting and Geocities discontinued it so I decided to make my own website, great to have you browsing and hopefully it's helpful.  For all the followers of this website and anyone who is reading the Guestbook, Jack's novel The Vandals is very good.  He was kind enough to let me read it shortly before he released it on Amazon a few years ago (follow this link if you are interested in purchasing it:  http://www.amazon.com/John-A.-Vikara/e/B005FABEFU/ref=ntt_dp_epwbk_0).  I really enjoyed the read and you won't be disappointed if you purchase it. *

Do you know the book written by Louis Lubronsky concerning the Michael Farmer Murder.? Trying to locate it. I lived in Washingon Heights during that particular time. *Hello Evie, the book you are looking for is called The Violent Gang by Lewis Yablonsky.  Yablonsky is still around and has his own website which can be found at http://www.lewyablonsky.com.  I tried to email you, but the email was bounced back.  I would love to ask you about Washington Heights in the 1950s if you don't mind emailing me at [email protected]*

Hi, I am the oldest daughter of Ramon Serra. I hold no regret or sham. I did not know him then, but i know the man i grew up with and he gave me a happy childhood and that is all that matters. I am glad i get to know more about him and his life as a young man. I have a deeper understanding in his personality and what makes him him. Thank you for sending my sister Dione the pictures. am sure she will contact you soon.

hello Dione, I was an Egyptian Crown under Ramon Serra. When he was our president he was working at the fish market on 165th st. He was a big strong good looking guy and everybody in the hood gave him much respect. We use to call him meejo. He had a lot of heart and unfortunately it cost him his freedom. The boys and I would like to know how he is doing and tell him that although he was gone for a long time, he was never forgotten. hopefully i can get a reply on how he is doing. *hi Lefty, great to hear from you.  Would you consider emailing me at [email protected]?  I am in touch with Dione and she will be sharing information about her Dad and his life which I hope to host on the website.  Her Dad is still alive, but I will let her share more details about that when she gets a moment.  I also have pictures of Ramon that I can share with you that you will no doubt find very interesting.   I hope to hear from you and would love to ask you questions about the Egyptian Crowns.

I should have signed this guest book long ago! A great resource! It makes me realize how my history of Harlem just grazed the surface of this important topic.

what happened to Louis Alvarez? *I'm not 100% sure but I heard he got out of jail, moved to California and worked with at-risk youth*

My parents moved out of Fort Greene in 1960 due to all the crime and gangs in that once nice area.

Hello from Amsterdam Ave. and 166 street

I'm sorry that I've not signed your guestbook or touched base with you. You are doing great work in this area and I hope you get the feedback and support you need to truly capture this era. Please feel free to write an article about your work and I will publish it in my online newspaper, The East Harlem Journal. E-send your material to [email protected]. To view the publication, go to EHarlemJournal.ZoomVillage.com

I found your site very interesting and stumbled across it while looking up any new info. on the '57 M. Farmer killing.I have read quite a bit on 1950s gangs and am very familiar with them,but there are things we can read that we haven't others may know.I have a question,what ever happened to the gang members in the Farmer killing after their release from prison,Luis Alvarez in particular,being the leader.Pee Wee Ramos was an important gang president at the time before his slaying,actually being an original member of the Dragons.The book "The Violent Gang" by Lewis Yablonsky covers quite a bit of the Highbridge Park slaying and for another great reference on '50s NYC gangs check out "All The Way Down".I wish someone would write a book about the Kings,Dragons,and Jesters from a personal level.Make for some interesting reading.One closing note,"Run,Baby,Run" by Nicky Cruz is a great informative read.Mau Maus,Fort Greene.Thanks for the site. **Hi Dale, thank-you for your comment.  I will be going to NYC this summer to do further research on not only the Michael Farmer killing but other Manhattan gang killings from 1955-1959.  Eventually these will be published in a book and they will have the "personal" perspective which you are hoping for.  Run Baby Run, The Violent Gang and All the Way Down  are great sources of gang information (although Run Baby Run is suspect in some parts) and in fact are found on my page "Suggested Reading" at http://newyorkcitygangs.com/?page_id=385  Perhaps there are some other books about gangs you might not be aware of that might interest you.  If you find the case of Michael Farmer interesting you will definitely want to pick up a copy of the Jury is Out, a book written by the Judge of that trial.  Thanks, David **